Bethesda's Game Design is Insulting


A personal rant about why I think Bethesda's RPG design is over-hyped and condescending.

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Music:

The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion OST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpqSdORmCX4
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Games Appearing in this video:

Fallout

Fallout 2

Fallout 3

Fallout New Vegas

Fallout 4

The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion

The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
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  • etherraichu

    Morrowind, Oblivion, Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas all have this one interesting difference from Skyrim and Fallout 4: You don't start as a god.In MOrrowind you had to go through an insane amount of work getting people to even maybe acknowledge you. in Oblivion you had to stupidly jump into a gaping hell maw and manage to not die, which is definitely a note worthy achievement. in Fallout 3 and New Vegas, you were just some guy with a mediocre gun and armor, and little supplies. You had to work your way up.In Skyrim? You get magic powers no one else has and are instantly the chosen one. In fallout 4 you immediately get the God Armor, even though most of your time is spent fighting raiders wielding pool sticks.I prefer the older way.

  • Peter Stiffens

    This video has aged well.

  • Wyl33 J

    The Outer Worlds has entered the chat

  • yasser djehiche

    Ooooh Boi, wait to you play Fallout 76.

  • Thomas Rasper

    I can definetly agree. Just look at skyrims academy questline. All you do is to go to three dungeons or so and after that, it's the Archmages final wish that you become the new archmage. All this, even though you have talked to him like 2 times. Also, the only reward is a robe and a title.

  • Life of Boris

    STALKER being mentioned? how was I not informed?? I need to fire my secretary.

  • Game Couch

    2011 - Whoah!!! This game is mind blowing! This is the best game I've ever played... 2018 - Yeh... Skyrim has a lot of bugs and the story is lame and it's just overall the worst game ever made... I mean so what I've played it 7 times and have over 2000 hours on it on pc alone...

  • Ed Eranged

    I'm surprised people still treat review sites as if they're anything more than shameless, greedy billboards. Todd Howard : "Here's $2,000,000.."IGN : "10/10 Game of the year!!"

  • wyatt hatch

    I really miss the D&D inspired progression systems

  • David Welch

    WHAT THE HELL WAS THE RIP PATRICK STEWART SHIT!! I had a heart attack and had to google to make sure he was still alive.

  • Pogo

    The premature power armor in Fallout 4 says everything. It's like Bethesda is trying too hard to please everybody.

  • ukguy

    And this was made more than a year before Fallout 76...

  • Blue Penguin

    Dude i never realised why i didnt like fallout 4. This sums it up

  • S B

    I felt insulted during Fallout 4. Endless recurring quests. I found myself thinking of playing Vegas while playing FO4.

  • genericusername546

    Relative perspective is an interesting thing. This guy started with Oblivion and bemoans the downturn and simplification the series has taken since then. I remember bitching and moaning about how much of a step down Morrowind was in many ways from my Daggerfall-obsessed days in high school. By the time Oblivion came around it was well and truly a lost cause, yet this guy apparently loved it. I don't disagree with his points, but the "problem" started a long time ago, and it will never really be seen as a problem by Bethesda because it's a successful formula that so far continues to bring in a lot of money. Instead of complaining about it, support smaller developers who do innovative things, and either enjoy Bethsoft games for what they are, or ignore them entirely. Both are good choices.

  • It'sAGundam

    Great video, you summed up so many of my rants about FO4 without throwing a single chair!

  • RudeGuyGames

    The game has been out for three years yet I never saved Shaun.My people need me!

  • Aya ya

    You know how that quest with the Power Armour should have played out?A Deathclaw is killing people in town, You try to fight it at a low level but you die too easily.So you talk to some NPCs and find out there is an incomplete Power Armour lying around.You try to find parts for it by doing odd jobs.But here's the catch, the longer you wait, the faster the town will die out.So here are the Options.1. Fight the Death Claw with weak Power Armour. Still be a very tough fight.or2. Get a full powered PA without fighting the Death Claw, it kills the town and the Death Claw is never to be see again.Or a little of both, you got an okay PA but some people have already died.

  • Young Chanimal

    and now we're at 76

  • Skadi

    0:07 I spent ages 8-12 hooked on Oblivion, souly to explore and join the DB & Guilds. Although I managed to not complete the main quest until I was 14. But Oblivion has effected me forvever, especially that Mages guild quest where you have to get the burden ring off of the guy in the well. Now whenever I hear the word burden, it gives me nightmareish flashbacks to the forvever loop of drowning and respawning after making a horrible saving choice. Help.

  • Ben

    What's even worse is forums are filled with people complaining they're stuck on Skyrims puzzles.

  • Jon Makes Videos

    6:20 that's dead wrong about Oblivion. There is one linear path, you will save the Empire and be the good guy or you won't do the main quest at all. Fallout 4 at least had a redeeming quality in picking a side which does lead to distinct endings, which Bethesda never did since Daggerfall with Fallout 4 as New Vegas was Obsidian.

  • Sasha

    I LOVE Fallout 4...as a first person shooter with really great base building and a crafting/scavenging system I think was really well done. Also I like the perk system in Fallout 4. The role playing goodness of New Vegas is long since dead. RIP.

  • Alexander

    I agree, got bored quickly. Total shit game. People are shocked by 76 as if 4 was good. Retards just need something to be next level obvious until they realize its not actually good.Oh well, Speds gonna sped.

  • Peter G

    My favorite game of all time is Fallout New Vegas, somewhat evidenced by my profile picture. I never liked fallout 3, and before fallout 4 I thought that it was because the game was just bad. When Fallout 4 came out it made me realize that it was just the way that Bethesda made their games that was the issue, however I never knew what exactly about their games were bad. This video nails the reasons why it's bad right on the head.

  • The Hollistic Bartender

    The reason why Fallout 4 is more popular is because it's for the dumb and they are the majority.

  • emwhyte

    his love of the peggle scoring screen eludes me...

  • yoyoyoshio267

    Todd Howard: What's that? you had your own idea for your character? no you are a family man looking for your son, don't like it? well you bought the game, who's laughing now?

  • Dannyboyz

    5:07 -- sort of true. I mean, if you don't know how to quick save and try again until you get it, sure.

  • Valdetiosi

    I think STALKER more as RPG than whatever Bethesda could create out. Heck, even their Radiant AI gets pale in comparison of A-Life Simulation.

  • Mitchell Dean

    you have a good point with the content. i dont remember jack crap from fallout 4. but i can remember nearly all the missions in fallout 3

  • Gaming \w blacksmith

    Nice to know this is applying to 76

  • Thefabregas22

    Completely agree, I don't understand where all the praise for games like Skyrim and Fallout 4 come from. I've always seen them as much weaker than their predecessors but it seems like the majority of people love them and say they're some of the best games ever made.

  • CHUNKY MILK

    So many new Vegas elitist in here lol fallout 4 wasn’t the best fallout game but you guys act like new Vegas was a gift from god

  • The Finance Guy- Stock market videos

    tell me how you feel about EA......I would love to hear that....

  • Joshua Varney

    5:00 come on bruh, that's a low blow. New Vegas did the exact same thing with gekos.

  • Trilmonté

    Had Bethesda not sabotaged Obsidian from the jump, New Vegas would've stomped on everything Bethesda would've put out from 2011 onward.(The saddest thing is that their incomplete-by-design game still ends up stomping on F3 and 4.

  • LKVideos

    That's not the devs fault. That's people being tools and complaining about complexity and because complex RPGs are VERY niche. But to everything there is a solution to which is why I don't respect reviews like this: namely the frikkin modding community. People need to get out of their insecurity box and learn the "completly difficult" work of installing mods that make you completly regret you've been stuck in your vanilla bubble half your life.

  • ok_brandon98

    Wait until he gets his hands on 76

  • Dapple Dog

    You know, Oblivion and New Vegas are much better games than Skyrim and Fallout 4. Skyrim removed the core elements of character designs: the classes and the birthsigns (no, those standing stones DO NOT count as birthsigns). I feel like I actually am someone when I create a character in Oblivion. When I make an Altmer Knight, I don’t have to grind for the first hour of gameplay to get my Knight skills to a reasonable level. Oblivion made me feel that my character was alive before I ever started controlling him. Fallout New Vegas is an entirely different story. Not only do I feel that The Courier has a life based on my backstory, he/she feels like they’ve existed in some way before the main game. Skyrim removes the core elements of character creation. I still love Skyrim, but it is not anywhere near the level of Complexity that games like Fallout NV and Oblivion have. If Bethesda were to add perks, classes and birthsigns to the Elder Scrolls VI, along with the return of speed, agility, mysticism, armorer perks, and attributes, I would be ecstatic. However, that is not enough. We need killable NPC’s, multiple endings and a less serious game in general. Oblivion is a game which laughs at itself sometimes, and then becomes serious again. Skyrim tries for so much realism, that it no longer works as an RPG. The worst irony as well, is that you can literally be everything in Skyrim. You can be the Listener, a Nightingale, a Companion, The Master Mage; the worst of all, is that you can sell your soul to most of these factions. More realism, but lore breaking bullshit.

  • Renan Dutra

    (First, sorry the english, second here we go...) Wait a second! I can choose not be a courier in New Vegas? Sorry, in my 120 hours of play that didn't happened. In my opinion you are focusing in some details you don't liked from the new games and forgeting the good points they brought. Of course New Vegas smash in RPG even Fallout 3: Obsidian made it, and they are expert in this. I runned all Mojave, all DLCs. I just runned Far Harbor and Automaton and I had a good fun on it. There's pretty good side quests in Fallout 4 YES, and I preffer scientists doing AI and synths to repopulate the world than some factions fighting for a piece of land(New Vegas). Fallout 4 have more interesting map and buildings than NV, who most of the time is empty with desert - of course there's a lot of interesting things in NV, but Fallout 4 have a lot of more nice buildings to explore, get your scrap for improve your settlement, your Power Armor - who can be customizated and really sounds more a Power Armor, not like NV. I do love NV. Spended magical times with this game, but I do love Fallout 4, say this game is bad just because it lacks a bit in dialogues that really are not that bad most of people say. Tell me, what use have science knowlege in NV if not do some dialogues or activate ED, get some perks for energy weapons or another similar things? Look what you can do with science in Fallout 4 with your stuff, it really turn interesting on exploration because you need material for put a jet pack in your power armor for an example. About reputation, no game in Bethesta, even in Oblivion or Fallout 3 cared so much like NV, but hey ou still having the option to be a jerk and kill all or take bad decisions. When I was murdering like hell in Solitude and back, no one came to hug me. I'll be honest, of course Bethesta took bad, but really bad decisions. They wanted to simplify things and just fucked more them, like took off spellcraft in Skyrim, while in Oblivion you had it. Cities in Skyrim are little if you compare to Oblivion(all city have a castle) - but say Skyrim is worst and forget all the other awesome things it have just because some details they changed is unfair in my opinion. About puzzle... well, puzzle is not the goal of that games, I guess is adventure, is immersion in a world than is all yours to explore and take decisions, learn, meet characters etc. Of course, I regonize the lack of RPG elements, if you compair with games more focused on that, but please, look what those games offer first, see the good stuff they have - and there's a lot, if you stop to see. There more elements than you spoke in that game to consider. I agree with you in many points, but if you really want to do something intelligent and smart, study is the way, loose life playing games like that is for really dumb people like me! LOL - But I can be honest and agree with you and say Bethesda is learning with Blizzard how to ruin their works... Not mentioning Fallout 4 and Skyrim - Crapout 76, that's what I'm talking about.

  • ben's minion

    S. T. A. L. K. E. R. Is the perfect slav game, note not for pussie westerners

  • IEMK

    i got stuck on the skyrim puzzles

  • Lewis Czugalinski

    Fallout 76 brought me here

  • Czarewich

    Oh man, when you zoomed in on STALKER I felt like you were talking directly to me lol

  • Zeroz

    I think Bethesda watched this guy's video and took this guys criticism seriously that's why we got Fallout 76. You pretty much described Fallout 76.

  • Dmitriy Samusenko

    Obsidian needs to make the next Fallout game.

  • TheStormyLion

    Dark Souls...? A....masterpiece?.......HAHAHA.You're joking.

  • lol lolson

    this video is biased as hell, you mention nothing bad about new vegas at all, and nothing good about fallout 4 in the entire video... even if its a rant, being hypocritical is never goodquests ended the same way in NV as they do in 4, so dont see why that was a point at all...they both have good and bad quests, NV has some really good and some really bad, while 4 has mostly pretty chill quests...the whole death claw and power armor is kinda dumb, its either really easy or really hard, both of the games handled it poorly... (tho i think 4 did it better)when it comes to weapon customization, fallout 4 would fit your image of a real rpg more then new vegas does, you make your own gun and make it yours, thats way better then just finding a gun, so thats kinda a logical fallacy, since it 4 has more depth in that regard... (i do like how it is done in fallout 76 with the blueprints that you have to find, its a nice mix of both)

  • MattVideo Productions

    I honestly don’t know why I bothered buying fo4, bethesda is clearly nothing like it used to be all they are doing now is rereleasing skyrim.

  • Frog Lord

    Well..Yeah.. b-but they're still fun....

  • Tyber Zann

    TES3 > TES4 > TES5 and FNV > FO3 > FO4

  • William Smith

    Lmao I actually used to take the short bus

  • True Born Son of Liberty

    Bethesda is a has-been 70's rock star. They were good in their prime, now a sad pathetic individual.

  • CatnamedMittens

    Obsidian > Bethesda

  • Gioele Evangelisti

    I agree with everything you said on Fallout 4; I do think it's just a decent game, and surely worse than the previous games (I haven't played Fallout 76, so I can't be sure about that game). But to say that every Bethesda game is like that is wrong ... Yes, Skyrim has Easy puzzles. So? It's supposed to be based on Story, lore, factions, dragon-slaying, and such. Not solving short sequences of often obvious moves that barely counts as a puzzle. I've seen people complain about how short faction quests are, wich is simply not true, how scarce rewards they give, again simply not true, how you can't be a member but only a leader (like you weren't one all along) and how no One cares about what you do (wich is sadly true, apart from some rare cases when people will thank you for killing Alduin). It's a good game. Stop over-henancing every small issue that you find.

  • Feather Black

    If Fallout 4 is insulting, Assassin's Creed series are a leg kick in the face.

  • Feofan Eto pole dolzhno byt' zapolneno

    The most rdcls thing is tht death claw didnt even touch you on hard difficulty. In my case i ran into building to shot this thing from above and deathcclaw just disappeared. Later I found it stuck back underground. I was shoting point blank for a minute or so and it didnt even move. I've been dreading this fight cz I got a massive beef with deathclaws in Vegas and F2, but it turned out to be nothing. Fallout 4 is the first one I didnt finish. As I see it, that kind of things is exactly why more and more ppl will start to support software piracy in near future. This will lead to some sane refund policy on digital content, enforced by goverments in ten years or so. But liberals call these things socialism for some reason so US wont be invited to this party.

  • Onauc C

    As someone who has played no fallout game ever: LMAO, wtf was that fallout 4 deathclaw encounter xDDDDDDD

  • Ekkie Ekk

    I don't really like people calling fallout 4s dialogue system "bioware like". You're giving them too much credit. It's more telltale like. Joke, angry, questioning, and nice.

  • Ethan Wiley

    Fallout 4 would have been an amazing standalone title, as in, not a fallout game, because fallout 4 completely dumbed down classic fallout features and changed a lot of the core aspects.

  • Max Raskin

    That’s a good point. I have over 100 hours on Fo4 and I don’t remember shit compared to new vegas

  • Zixon - Lvl. 100 Boss

    I love Skyrim but gosh darn the dumbing down...

  • Malryck

    Implying there is game design in Bethesda.

  • Wew Lad

    "What can video games give you that nothing else can? Pride."Almost makes me want to stop gaming altogether.

  • Zaynes Zicratho

    beautiful video and needed now more then ever

  • Nitsej

    Morrowind is still my all time favorite ES game. When that game came out back in the day it lead to some of my best memories.

  • Timi Kärkkäinen

    Bethesda - naive and childish

  • ImScared

    Water downed gameplay has become a genre.

  • michel durant

    bugthesda is a huge troll

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