INSANE SKYRIM THEORY - An Elder Scrolls Secret You May Not Know!

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  • Roshank Redemption

    Some Clarifications1) I misspoke when I said the Dragonborn grew up in Skyrim. What I wanted to say is he learned how to fight and hone his powers in Skyrim. Both of them transitioned from normal mortal to full fledged Dragonborn in Skyrim.2) My explanation of Talos and Shezzarine was way oversimplified. A Shezzarine is a bit more complicated than an avatar of Shor, but for the purposes of this video that definition suffices. And I'm not even going to get started on Talos. If you're not familiar with the lore behind the Talos oversoul, look it up and you'll get what I mean.3) (In advance my memory is a bit rusty on this. Sorry if I get something wrong) A lot of people are saying that Shor was absent because no mortal can bear his glory. I find this extremely suspicious. You're telling me that when Alduin is invading Sovngarde and threatening the very nature of Shor (as the embodiment of afterlife in Sovngarde) he's not there because he's afraid of some mortal not being able to bear his glory? The dude is a GOD and as a subgradient of Lorkhan one of the most powerful beings in the verse. That explanation is complete bullshit imo. Either Bethesda is getting really lazy with their lore (possible) or the Dragonborn is actually a Shezzarine (more possible).I just feel like the situation in Sovngarde makes no sense. There's something deeper going on, I'm Shor of it.4) I want to clarify again that Im not saying this is a confirmed theory (especially the mantling Talos part). Obviously I believe in it, but I also advise treating it with reasonable skepticism (which many of you have done).Alright well that's pretty much it. If there's anything else I missed let me know and I'll update this comment. Thanks so much for the support on his vid btw! :)5) AWESOME Insight from +Jonas Smith:"Would make sense in a story standpoint too. Aldiun usually being paired with destruction, the dragon born being the mortal manifestation of the god of creation. 'T would go full circle with this."

  • Joe M

    A Bethesda dev is probably watching this thinking... "Oops, I forgot to add Shor to Sovngarde!"

  • FirmSoul4

    See, I like this theory, but I'm not quite Shor about it...

  • Not Your Crony

    Dragonborn: "You know, no one has ever seen me and Shor in the same room before..."

  • Schreider Scud

    Also, Tullius gives you a hint that you're Shor's avatar when you first meet him in Castle Dour by saying:"I'm SHOR you're imprisonment was just a misunderstanding."hehehe... hehe... he... FML

  • Eltacore

    i wanna beleive this theory beacuse it will make me feel like a FCKING GOD

  • Toby Sweetman

    If you're Shor, and I believe you are a shezzerine, that means Sithis is your dad, in a much more literal sense than the title of dread father.

  • Slick Serpent

    Tiber Septim actually was born in Atmora, and since he was a child, he was entrusted with a magic stone. The stone could hold with it the fate of the mortal realm. While conquering Tamriel, he kept the stone close at his side. Before he ascended to godhood, he passed on the stone to his unknown heir, and the stone was passed on for generations in a family in a secret village on Atmora that has been able to survive the harsh climate. However, knowledge of the family's epic heritage was lost over time. Eventually, the village's barriers against the raging cold deteriorated, and a ship was set off towards Tamriel. On this ship was a descendant of Tiber Septim, who did not know it. He was carrying the stone. The ship was bound for Morrowind. However, an unnatural storm attacked the ship, and sunk it off the coast of Solitude. A fisherman found the wreck, and found the boy floating on wreckage, the stone still in his pocket. The boy couldn't remember where this stone was from, but he called it a Rune, and the fisherman named him after it.The Rune is one of three keys needed to open The Black Gate. The Black Gate sits in the frigid, barren regions of northern Atmora. No one can survive there anymore, and thus, no one else has seen the gate. The Rune is the most powerful key of them all; it radiates magic that transcends to the reaches beyond Aetherius. The second key is the mystical Elder Scroll Moon, located in Starlight Tower, a historical monument located on the legendary, elusive continent of Aldmeris, among the incredible canyons. The third and final key is the Heart of Lorkhan, which, after it was severed from it's ties with divinity by the Nerevarine, it was lost among the lands of Tamriel, and no one can seem to pinpoint it's exact location. The hearth actually lies in the undersea ruins of Thras, where it sits among the coral towers, in a now underwater kingdom where the Sload still thrive. These three keys would open the Black Gate, and would lead to a malevolent demonic entity; the Unheard. Azura could sense that the Unheard's prison was weakening, and someone mortal needed to defeat it. This was the birth of the Unsung Hero, who was destined to travel across Nirn, gather the keys, open the Black Gate, and defeat the Unheard. Guided by Azura, the Unsung Hero traveled from Summerset to Morrowind, from Akavir to Lyg, from Thras to Aldmeris, and from Skyrim to Atmora, in search of the three keys. The Unsung Hero collected them, over many years, and opened the Black Gate. He discovered that the portal led to somewhere where no mortal had ever been; beyond the planet Nirn, in another place within Mundus; the moon of Masser. In a structure built by Daedric Princes, he descended down, deep within Masser, to the Unheard's prison. The Unheard had been imprisoned, and transported to Masser long ago by Tiber Septim. Now the time has come for the Unsung Hero to kill the Unheard, so that the beast cannot devour all of existence!........I just made that all up, on the spot. I think I'll write an Elder Scrolls book about that now......

  • princeofcringe

    I like it. Seems weird that all of the daedric princes just fuck around with you if you're actually an avatar of Shor though. Wouldn't they know that, and then, you know, not? Then again, I guess they wouldn't really care. Ehh, either way, great theory!

  • Conner Kline

    Man, I gotta say, all those Deadra I made deals with to serve in the afterlife are going to have a really rude awakening when I die.

  • Disabler

    I have a theory. Skyrim is actually a game inside another game. Most likely Fallout 4. The adventures you have in Skyrim is all a dream you had inside the freezing pod!

  • The Singing Patriot

    I hope that you are all SHOR of the Truth, now: I AM THE Dragonborn.  They asked me, "Are You Shor?"Of Course, I told them, "Yes, I AM Shor."

  • Hermann Fegelein

    About Hjalti. I like how you pronounce it wrong seconds after it has been pronounced correctly in-game.

  • Baroka Obama

    In conclusion the dragonborn is a mud crab

  • akuroku1996

    I know I'm way late to the party in the comments here but I'd like to give my two cents on what I think is up with the Dragonborn you play as. I always thought that since you are technically a part of Akatosh's being, as all dragons are from my understanding, that each dragon soul being absorbed into you over time is just part of the same original soul returning to itself, that the more dragons you kill and of course Alduin himself and Miraak, (unless you modded the game to save his dumb dragonborn ass), you become closer and closer to straight up becoming a god yourself .. you have the soul of a god that just keeps adding on to itself each time you recover a part of it. I feel like a tribunal style event where the Dragonborn essentially becomes like a demigod or god in their own right could happen, possibly even becoming a daedra seeing as they themselves didn't have a direct hand in the creation of Mundus despite the origins of their soul, and of course with mortals in the series being flawed and fickle by nature compared to most god like beings whom encompass more specific traits. But that's just what I thought based off of the most basic stuff you're told in Skyrim and some of the lore discussions and videos I've been binge watching. You could become an ironic/accidental antagonist kind of like the champion becoming sheogorath at the end of shivering isles.. it always seems to me that the writers for this series' lore almost always write a tragic or unfortunate end for the protagonists being tied to some kind of inescapable fate. They imply it with Mora at the end of Dragonborn where he's under the impression you're his minion like Miraak was no matter what you say/do. So you could become a morally grey or evil being by the time elder scrolls 6 happens if set in the future, unless you're definitively killed off by the writers of course to tie that loose end up (achieving chim maybe as a way of acending??)(I hope this doesn't offend anyone more into the lore than I am ! These are just my observations, that are likely somehow missing something that makes them unlikely ! I know people are protective of the lore in this series especially, and I know that these ideas aren't flawless, as I said before, just personal observations).

  • dorgesh

    Is the Elder Scrolls just a big fight to steal Lorkhan's power? Auriel ripped his heart out and shot it across Tamriel in the Dawn era. The whole of Morrowind's plot was about how the tribunal and Dagoth-Ur used the heart of Lorkhan to become gods. Pelinal Whitestrike is thought to have had the amulet of Kings as his heart, which is literally made of the solidified blood of Lorkhan. King Wulfharth waged war in Morrowind to regain the heart of Lorkhan from the Dwemer. Pelinal Whitestrike, Zurin Arctus, Hjalti Early-beard, Ysmir and king Wulfharth were all Shezzarines, and it's believed that many of them joined together to form new mixed beings. E.g. it's believed that Zurin Arctus, Hjalti Early-beard and Wulfharth all combined together to make the enantiomorph (mixed soul) Talos, which was so similar to Lorkhan (because it was made of three Shezzarines) that this new soul was able to mantle the place of Lorkhan and become the god talos. I.e Talos was a mixture of Shezzarines that took the place of Lorkhan, which is why some think that the statues of talos in Skyrim shows this, Talos is standing over the snake (a symbol of lorkhan). And then in Skyrim it looks like Dohvakiin has taken the place of Lorkhan too! Basically people have tried to steal lorkhan's power way too fucking often for it to just be a coincidence, either that or Bethesda just use it as a plot point far too often.

  • BeaztBrozInc

    I'm not very well versed in the deeper aspects of the lore, so please forgive me if this is a dumb question. But you mentioned that Shor is the Nordic representation or Lorkhan. Are the gods of the different pantheons separate entities? And if not, I was under the impression that Lorkhan was the missing god. That he had disappeared after some event in the past? I want to say the destruction of the Heart of Lorkhan, but I don't remember. Would that not explain Shor's absence in the Hall of the Dead? The destruction of the Heart happened after the existence of Ysgramor, yeah? That might also explain why Ysgramor mentions that they were forbidden from leaving, but the three tongues were able to leave with the Dragonborn. Because they hadn't been ordered by Shor before the disappearance. Unless the Dragon Wars also took place before the disappearance of Lorkhan. Like I said, I'm not an all knowing lore buff. So if someone has answers for this, that'd be rad.

  • Expecto Patronum

    Wouldn't it make since not to see Shor. If he is the embodiment of death, you wouldn't see him cause you are not dead nor close to dying. When you go to Sovngarde as the dragonborn in game. You are still alive.

  • Raymond Karl Veasey

    No, No, No... According To Nazeem, Dragonborn Hasn't Even Been To The Cloud District... Just Joking. Great Theory. Wouldn't Be Much Fun For The Creator If The Creator Didn't Participate In His Works.

  • The Man

    better question do you have coin for khajiit wares

  • Eric

    This is an interesting theory. If true, Bethesda could use the events of Skyrim as the return of Talos in TES VI, culminating in a war with the Aldmeri Dominion.

  • Willy_Th3_ Walrus

    Idk if the last dragonborn is that strong, he gets killed by draugr sometimes

  • majestic sea potato

    I'm sure that I am shor , I felt this on the shore so I am pretty sure

  • Chilling Villain

    The evidence for this theory was really poor. Would never believe this, but it was sort of well presented.

  • Greywall

    Hmmm... Also, The Dragonborn is also able to somehow hold onto Keening without using the Wraithguard, could that possibly add a bit to this theory as well?

  • scott kilkenny

    What about mirack though?, does that mean that they can be multiple avatars of shor?

  • Jacob Hood

    Are you Shor about this theory?

  • Vanir Florentine

    I wonder if Hermaeus Mora would know about you being Shor (assuming this theory is correct). I would assume he does, but what if by some slim chance he doesn't know that the Last Dragonborn is a Shezzarine (Did I even spell that right)?That would be awkward for Mr. Stuck-up, pompous, annoying Cthulhu-impersonating McGlobbidyglob-glob of tentacles wouldn't it? XD I swear he was the only thing I hated about the Dragonborn DLC...

  • hauptberg

    This is what I love so much about The Elder Scrolls series. They treat history realistically. I wish WoW would learn this lesson, in WoW it's all laid out very clear and you know what happened historically, not that the story isn't good, but mystery adds depth to the game and this is what Bethesda got right. Depending on who wrote the book you can even find slightly different variations of the same event, it changes with the telling, just like real history does. We may never know the actual truth of Lorkin/Shor, but that makes it fun. Although we should learn what happened to the Dragonborn in the next Elder Scrolls game, which I am hoping they will announce at E3 this year!

  • Meat Ball

    i think the hero of kvatch and possibly all protagonists are shezzarines of lorkhan or other gods. and tiber septim was actually a merging of 3 different people not just talos. btw ysmir is just how nords refer to great warriors. and shor isnt in the hall of valour cos he is dead from the mundus and aetherius and only exists outside those planes

  • Rafael Sornillo

    Is it possible for out Dragonborn to achieve Chim? Also, is it possible for the Dragonborn to become emperor?

  • Jiah

    are you shor about this theory

  • Ptolemy

    im afraid this is likely not true :(,since it is explained in the game that you cannot see Lorkhan(shor) in the sovengarde because you are not in fact dead. Also the ghost might not be able to recognize talos original appearance but he can feel that you are dragonborn so he might instanly think that you are talos himself.

  • Cancer

    Causes some problems if you want to play as an altmer traditionalist who should hate Lorkhan as the trickster God of man.

  • Kevin pissoff

    I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks all the protagonists of each Elder Scrolls game is a reincarnation of an Aedra. You go a bit more in depth than I can go, since I've only played Oblivion and Skyrim.

  • TheMonroyShow

    but hey thats just a theory a game theory

  • Eli Nations

    The Dragonborn; one of the strongest mortal beings of all time, yet still dies to a drop from two stories up.

  • McDonalds_Reject

    3:23 what helmet is the guy wearing? i know the armor and stuff is from the stormlord armor mod but i cannot find that helmet anywhere!! HELPP

  • M Squared

    I can debunk this theory in one word: CHIM.

  • The Psychic Psycho μZ

    I am not sure the dragonborn grew up in Skyrim. There are multiple points where it's stated they are not originally from there. At the beginning of the game for example it's stated that you were caught crossing the border. The other evidence I came across is a spoiler so...When you get put into Cidhna Mine in Markarth you have the option to talk to the other prisoners. One asks if you have any family giving you the option to say you do, but they live far from here.

  • SorryaaahhhGaming

    sounds good but when you face miraak who is also dragonborn are you facing yourself?

  • mastercng

    are you Shor about all this?

  • Tonberry Queen

    LOL My dragonborn is a high elf...

  • Mehrunes Dagon

    You know what i dont get? why do the stormcloacks hate the imperials but love talos? talos pretty much founded the empire!

  • Lambert The Prick

    What about CHIM?That destroys your entire theory.

  • NoobsNitro

    well it looks like its really true i mean all the daedric princes are literally wanting the dragonborn to be their champion and then when i did the quest "a deadra's best friend" Clavicus Vile(daedric prince) does says that i m almost a powerful as him at the moment( half ik but still) and i did that quest way in the begining so yeah dragonborn might be(no i guess truly is)most powerful being in the whole elder scrolls universe.

  • Preußens Gloria

    What many people in the comments dont seem to understand is that the dragonborn in your playthrough isnt necessarily the same dragonborn as in the canon lore. If you roleplay as an elf who grew up in valenwood, thats fine, but the canon dragonborn will probably be much like the dragonborn that we saw in trailers.

  • Mason Shank

    All of the evidence was great and yes, you almost have me convinced. But, I have a question. Correct me if I'm wrong. So padomey (the force of chaos) created himself into Sithis. Sithis created himself into Lorhkan. If the dragon born is a shazzerian, wouldn't that mean he/she embodies chaos? The dragon born is trying to STOP chaos. Same for Talos. He doesn't embody chaos AT ALL! Also, since Shor is the Nordic representation of Lorhkan, that would also mean that Shor embodys chaos. This makes no scene. So, Padomey=Sithis=Lorhkan=Last Dragonborn=Talos=Chaos?? It just doesn't add up. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong

  • Stanciu Florin

    where does it say that the last dragonborn grew up in skyrim? if i remember corectly not even the nord dragonborn was from skyrim

  • Toby Sweetman

    Ysmir is simply a title given to someone who survived the Greybeard's test.

  • Freeside Junkie

    Interesting theory, but it seems that this theory relies on if you pick a human character. I doubt Shor would return to Nirn as an argonian, or Dunmer, or (the only race that matters) an Orc.

  • Libra

    Umm I'm not "shor" about this.... Hahahah

  • JRWT 0

    cool but I made a high Elf so I'm an incarnation of the devil just great

  • HyperWatch

    Dovahkiin's crime theory:1) Judging by the path you arive to Helgen, you probably arived from Cyrodil. Its unlikely that you came across the pass from the Rift because you were sent to an EXECUTION. You would think that someone in the Rift would hear about you if you have something so wrong to be sent to execution.2) When you finaly arive to Helgen, you are, and I quote: "Not on the list" So that implacates that capturing you wasn't planned. You were "captured while trying to cross the border" as Ralof said. You were captured on the border with Rift. The Stormcloacks where ambushed just outside Darkwater crossing. To get to Helgen from there, you have to get up the mountian, pass Riften, follow the Treva River, pass Lake Geir, across the pass and you are in Helgen (or follow the White River, pass Whiterun and Riverwood and go to Helgen, but you don't enter Helgen from the north, but from the east).Recap: After your horroble crime, you were captured escapeing Cyrodil on northeaster border of Skyrim. You're picked up by an Empireal escort. You are taken to Helgen to be executed for whatever you did in Cyrodil. Then Alduin attacks and the game starts. Please tell me what you think of my theory!

  • John Doe

    You made a mistake.The Dragonborn didn't grow up in Skyrim. He's actually a stranger to Skyrim who was caught trying to enter from Cyrodiil.

  • aden arrington

    What if his mum was just into some really kinky stuff and this lead to that and a dragon wound up in the bed, thats my theory

  • Raymond Raptorclaw

    Makes sense I guess, after all, if your pre-destined centuries before to defeat alduin, the WORLD swallower, that would most likely mean that you're a pretty big deal.

  • JMPeRager

    That The Dragonborn is literally one of the strongest beings in existence is a well established fact. Not even The Hero of Kvatch can go up against Dragonborn.

  • [ ]

    so if the last dragonborn is almost basically talos after the mantle does that mean when i kill a chicken in skyrim and afterwards fight 20 guards talos also killed that chicken XD

  • Daniel S

    Great video. But could you imagine what the world would be like if we put an equal amount of effort and consideration into figuring out the mysteries of our own history as people do with that of a couple of video games?

  • 14th Sanctis Sinensis Synthesis

    Hmmm wait if the player(dragonborn) is & would later ascend to Godhood & be God as the 10th divine...... Bearing all those soul of Dragons including Alduin while being champion of both divine & Deadric...... Wont this lead to a chaos much greater then previous Elder scroll series? Since they will be fighting who side we will be later as a god & who side we side on will 100% will win!!!

  • Deodic

    Just to add to the theory, don’t you think it’s a coincidence that you kind of appear out of no where? Remember when Lokir of Roriksted prays to SHOR AND ACATOSH shor is you? And Alduain is acatosh’s son, and isn’t it a coincidence that both of you answer lokir’s prayer? Just seems like too much of a coincidence to not have something deeper going on.

  • CMDR_Kai Gaming

    Shorly you can't be Shor about this?

  • The Traveler

    Would it be weird if the incarnation was another sex or race? Nope, because mantling and godship isn't bound to any such things, otherwise there couldn't be an afterlife to begin with if they required specific physical traits or spaces to simply... be. Obviously, this isn't why you can be any sex or race, but it can also support why you are simply able to as Dragonborn.

  • Spyro 2413

    This makes a lot of sense, but there r some holes. I won’t get in to that. What I wanted to say was that if the Dragonborn was to mantel talos and talos has already manteled shor then the Dragonborn would essentially become a combination of him/herself, talos, and shor. This would make your character the most powerful being in all of the skyrim world like he said in the video. That being said it would explain y there is no level cap for the Dragonborn in skyrim. You could argue that they made the game that way so you could ultimately get enough perk points to upgrade every skill tree completely, but seeing as how Bethesda love’s there lore so much this makes more sense.

  • Mehrunes Dagon

    Even though i love fallout, the elder scrolls will allways be my true waifu 😛

  • Mut Kid

    Good theory, one thing wonders me. Did you ever ever hear about Tiber Septime making a deal with the devil, the deadric lords to get stronger ore using weapons from them ore dragon priest masks ore becoming werwolf vampiric satanic demonic darkbrootherhood culektiv murderer. Yeah don't think so. Hears my theory dragon born is Dovakhin salyer of the world he is the bones of the earth Ae and Padame the awakened from the dreams above chim emmensiv to mantling every deadric lord and every god by crafting his very own Desteny. He can destroy ore he can protect every one he wants and he deciding to protect the earth from alduin, the first born son of the god of time akatosh, he desidet to stop the will of this god and he did effektiv. He changed the Nirn not like tiber septum who build an empire in Tamriel he stopped the destruction of all the four continents and the planes of oblivion and came out of nowhere so he just could be Loki lorkhan with one thing in his mind to protect the world he dreamed of the world he did create from evil from itself from power corruption and death and even at least from war and he Knows about the gods he nows by the fact of alduin that live is an circle so he could kill as vampires as wolfs and sit his embodiment, he is just the king of this world he lives in by not wearing any other title then dova (Dragon) kin (King of Kings) And by the way did you ever just took barbas from clavicles vile instead of the act and the mask, i did i love him, It makes my char be clavicles himself and i did have him for the rest of the game he is the best boy and this is a char build no other Skyrim player ever had i think so that makes me the best player in Tamriel. Nicolas Dippold

  • Sir Dog Man Thing

    There should be a mod made on this


    hmmm im not shor about this

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